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Spirit Week: Does ‘the Prophetic’ Have a Future?

What great feedback on Charismatic Chaos or (Holy) Spirited Deconstruction! I will be interacting with all of your thoughtful replies soon. And while that post outlined my affirmations of this new bacchanal of the Spirit, I still have a few caveats, which I will be airing this week. But in the spirit of filial kindness or what have you, I’ve emailed Ben and John personally in hopes of getting them to give me some feedback first. I want to hear from them in their own words – whether in the tongues of men or angels.

I know they’re probably busy, so I’m giving them a coupla more days; they can even have a guest blog if they want.

In the meantime I wanted to share with you something my friend/professor/mentor Jay Gary wrote, reflecting on the US & European pneumatic prophetic movement. In studying Strategic Foresight, I interact with future possibilities through a variety of lenses: human, ecological, technological, economic, political and – yes – spiritual futures. I’m often asked by my charismatic and Pentecostal friends how my studies relate to the revelatory spiritual gifts of prophecy, words of wisdom, knowledge, etc…

I have yet to articulate a fully satisfying response. But the good Professor Gary – scholar, consultant, and futurist extraordinaire – sheds some light. Read on!

Do You Hear Voices in Your Head? – Jay Gary

It is not normal to hear voices in your head, at least in my culture. Yet many of my friends claim to. If you confessed to ‘auditory hallucinations’ you would normally be diagnosed as borderline schizophrenia by your psychiatrist.

Among psychologists there is little agreement as to why people hear voices. Most relate the experience to our unconscious minds, which presumably aims to resolve our past troubles. Today there are dozens of support networks to help people learn to cope with their voices and the problems that may lie behind them. Not every one who hears voices is mentally ill, nor do they drown their children, like Andrea Yates.

Recently I spent two days with a growing number of true believers who aim to induce each other into ‘hearing voices.’ They are part of what Pentecostal Christians call “prophetic ministry.” They claim the practice of listening to the Holy Spirit goes back centuries to biblical prophets such as Elijah, Daniel, or even Jesus. Granted, few claim to “hear voices” in the literal sense, but they do claim to hear God through the “inner voice” of their spirit.

While receiving personal guidance has been widely practiced in Christianity, especially among Quakers or Friends through the “inner light,” the modern day prophetic claims it receives guidance far beyond personal matters. A contemporary web site, the “Elijah List” aggregates daily prophetic “words” to a subscription base of over 130,000, about matters ranging from church sloth to U.S. foreign policy crises.

Few books offer an objective view of the prophetic movement. Most are written to the choir, like Pytches and Buckingham’s 1991 account, “Some said it thundered: A personal encounter with the Kansas City prophets.” As an insider to this sub-culture, Clifford Hill has written a fairly balanced overview entitled “Prophecy past and present” (Vine, 1989).

Some boast the 21st century prophetic is part of a new breed of believer, who is spiritual charged to take back what’s been lost to a secular culture. While the warfare motif is strong across the prophetic, which some number up to 500,000 in the U.S., there is a modulating bridal dynamic at work, calling believers to recapture a new innocence with their Lord.

Few demonstrate this self-reflective, “bride of Christ” focus better than Graham Cooke. Recently I went to hear Cooke, after being prodded by a friend for nearly four years. The conference was packed wall to wall with 600 people, mostly suburban 40- and 50-somethings. Interactive Journals

Following an extended session of worship the first morning, Cooke gave a 100-minute talk. His British manner was very disarming. His conversational style and anti-institutional rhetoric was the polar opposite of a TV evangelist. In taking about upgrading one’s life, he spoke in street-language as appropriate to an Irish pub, as much to a church. I was surprised also, that unlike other prophetic superstars, he did not engage in any “called-out” prophecy to his audience, made famous by psychic medium John Edward, in a parallel world to Christian fundamentalism.

To me Cooke’s message was surprisingly refreshing–and future-oriented. He spoke about living out out of our dreams, nurtured by God’s love. He talked about “suddenlies” or encounters with life that re-orient us to who we can become, not just who we have been.

Perhaps taking a cue from Reggie McNeal’s book, The Present Future: Six Tough Questions for the Church, Cooke labeled these as “present-future” experiences, rather than “present-past” fixations. To deal with our baggage, the Holy Spirit must speak to us from the future. The Word renews our identity, and makes way for us to inherit a larger work and service. In turn we are called to relate to our spouses or relatives as emerging, in their present-future potential, rather than present-past stereotype.

While the main sessions went from dawn to dusk, the real action was in the back room…

Continue Reading “Do You Hear Voices In Your Head?” …

This was originally posted on May 29, 2008.

Spirit Week: Charismatic Chaos or (Holy) Spirited Deconstruction?

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What foray into the future and integration of the Pentecostal and charismatic movements would be complete without revisiting the most popular series ever on my blog? This is the post that started it all, inspiring a four-part interview with arguably the most controversial contemporary charismatic minister, John Crowder. It’s worth noting that Crowder’s ministry has evolved since 2008, and that he’s recently released two new books reflecting this: Mystical Union & Seven Spirits Burning. And now, without further ado…

What in the name of Pete & Kester is going on? Avant-garde “Holy Ghost house parties” filled with dancing, drinking shots of blessed holy water, and getting “stoned in the Spirit.” Pop cultural references – both muted and obvious – to Cheech & Chong, and Talladega Nights from the pulpit…er, the dance floor in which the speakers convert staid sanctuaries into the threshing floor for something quite different.

So what am I describing? A bleeding-edge European emerging church, like iKon or Moot or Vaux? An alt.worship collective? Perhaps the postmodern revivalist Church Basement Road Show?

Nope.

It’s John Crowder, occasionally joined by his friend Ben Dunn, provoking their native charismatic milieu and (it would seem) making more than a few emerging types squirm while they’re at it.

But you don’t have to take my word for it. See how a couple of these strike you. The first one, from a meeting with John and Ben:

Now this one, which I think they would see as a ‘prophetic satire’:

Whaddaya think? Steve Knight, in his post The New Charismatics? sums up what I think is a typical (and for him as a non-charismatic, quite generous) take on all this:

“I’d like to introduce you to John Crowder. I’m tempted to describe this guy as an “Emergent” pentecostal…[he] represent[s] a stream of Christianity that I, frankly, have very little experience or contact with: the charismatic, speaking in tongues, no-holds-barred, barking like a dog “in the Spirit” stream…The Crowders’ tagline, “a postmodern prophetic ministry,” is another emergent connection that I find intriguing (although I’m not exactly sure what is “postmodern” about the Crowders’ ministry)…John Crowder literally acts “high on Jesus,” laughing awkwardly and squinting as if his eyes have become dilated, etc. At one point, he says he’s “possessed by joy.” One has to wonder if he isn’t “possessed” indeed…As an emergent Christian, the last thing I want to do is put God in a box and say, “God can’t operate this way.” So instead, I’m simply asking some questions (as good emergents do): “Does God really operate this way?” Or rather, “Why would God operate this way?”

Excellent question, Steve! And I’ll confess: The videos made me – a long-time (post?)charismatic – a little uncomfortable too. But more on that next post. Today, I want to examine what I think could be a bit of unintentional emergent snobbery, as well as put out a (de)constructive way to look at the ‘bizarre creative miracles’ of Crowder & Dunn.

First let me say that I’ve never met John Crowder before, though my friends at Destiny Image published his 2006 book The New Mystics. As a wannabe contemplative, I agree with Carl McColman that this book is an intriguing offering by a fiery charismatic guy looking at a sweep of church history oft-ignored by many Protestant and Evangelical types: the mystics of the church, and their contribution to vibrant Christian spirituality. (He also spends considerable time with Pentecostal/charismatic history, including the controversial Voice of Healing revivals of the 1950s and 60s, whose mantle folks like Crowder and Bentley claim) Crowder’s sweeping, journalistic style makes The New Mystics a good read. And though it might seem to some who read this book that Crowder has strayed far from the contemplative/discernment insights that he expounded in his own book (ie, his saying “I used to have a teaching gift. Now I have a good gift of being struck mute in the middle of a service.”), I think that’s too simplistic a read on him. He still believes in mystical maturity, and coherent teaching, as this segment attests:

So what do we make of ‘tokin’ the Ghost’ and ‘redeeming drug culture for Jesus’? Personally, I think that we emergent types could very easily look down our noses at all this unfairly. In other words, if something this bizarre happened at iKon with a note of irony, we’d be applauding it. But if it happens with our (by our lights) theologically un-enlightened cousins, with apparent seriousness, we’re up in arms. Not that we shouldn’t be curious and express concern if that’s our honest reaction–but what if we’re not giving God enough credit as an actor in this Vaudevillian drama?

As my buddy Spencer likes to ask, what if (that’s really the only part of this sentence that’s a Burke quote) this is actually the Holy Spirit deconstructing Pentecostalism?!

Think of it this way: At its most rancorous, the “Spirit-filled” world has been comprised of sideshow entertainers and hucksters, memorialized in pop culture by everything from The Grapes of Wrath to Robert Duvall’s The Apostle to this:

But even The Apostle is from the 1990s; because this big-tent-revival worship style is from a bygone era, it’s recently attained its own level of collective non-scrutiny (read: polite boredom) by the culture at large. And among the faithful, once-controversial styles and practices have gained the respectability (and the accompanying non-reflection) that comes with time.

So enter the 21st century, when twenty-something DIY charismatics (and the charismatic movement is always its most luminescent when it’s DIY) start appropriating a 1990s “drunk in the Spirit” Toronto-esque spirituality with aspects of contemporary culture (as opposed to early 20th-century culture) thrown in for good measure! So instead of the circus and the theater being the cultural scaffolding on which a move of the Spirit is built, we have Punk’d, SNL, party culture and Talladehga Nights. The result is a praxis of the intoxicating beauty and presence of God being available via an interaction of holy imagination, in which one tokes a baby Jesus figurine, does shots of “Godka,” or drops (invisible, but apparently potent) “‘taste & see’ tabs” on your tongue.

Absurdity? Blasphemy? Charlatanry? Maybe. But people who operate in ‘the prophetic’ are sometimes inspired to do bizarre, demonstrative, symbolic gestures to become living parables, are they not? Ezekiel was called to cook meals over human feces (he managed to bargain God down to animal dung to be a tad more kosher) Getting naked was the order of the day for Isaiah, Micah, and Saul–how would that fly in church? Jeremiah yoked himself up to a cart like a mule. Hosea married a sex worker to make a point. Even Jesus would engage in behavior that gave him the rep of being “a prophet like one of the old prophets.” (Mark 6:15) While I’m not ready to say “Pass the Jehovah-juana” yet (I’m not the only one), Dunn & Crowder’s outré style doesn’t inherently short circuit my spirituality or my praxis.

To look at the ‘emergent snobbery’ idea from another lens: Most emerging folks I know are all about creativity and the arts in worship gatherings. But while for us it might look like something carefully planned – or at least a stage set – charismatics are masters of the impromptu (even if it becomes a learned impromptu over time, and is always poured into a certain cultural wineskin). Further, a staple of radical charismatic culture from way back (at least from the ’90s, maybe before, I dunno) is “offending the religious spirit,” at least in rhetoric if not reality. So Dunn and Crowder, they seem actually creative, and actually offensive.

Crowder 1But does the emporer have any clothes, you ask? Perhaps you didn’t think that speaking in tongues could involve inonations ob-la-dee, ob-la-da. Well, here’s where deliberate creativity and spontaneity could be playing with each other in the Spirit. I have no argument for the idea that some of their altered states are put-ons. But if we’re honest, isn’t much of our spirituality ‘fake it ’till you make it’? They could be pre-empting being ‘stoned in the Spirit,’ but that could be the catalyst to truly enter into that state. I think intention creates actuality many times. It might be too postmodern of me, but I think that, when it comes to spiritual manifestations, what we expect/act out of ends up being made real in our midst–for better or worse. It’s how spirituality is activated.

I have a genuine affection for the charismatic church of my youth. And I long to see a de-cultured, re-cultured (post)charismatic expression firmly situated in the web of emergent spirituality. I care very little for the culture, but along with Jamie Smith I love the core theopraxis assertion: That God the Spirit is integrally involved in all reality, and is intimately stirring in our midst, here and now, in each unfolding moment. I think that even as we are entering a milieu beyond classical theism and its untenable dictates, we are simultaneously plunged into the powers of God’s new covenant world, spiritual enablings that the first-century sign-gifts were but a foretaste of. (Yes, this is an eschatological assertion) Not only am I not a cessationist, but I think we’re in an era of unparalleled possibility with regards to co-creating a new world with God, based on God’s good dream for the cosmos enabled by the amazing grace radiated from Christ.

But before we get to working with God’s 4-D Renaissance paintbrushes, we need to grow tired of the tinker-toys and the paint-by-numbers kits. To this end of (wholly) spirited deconstruction, I think that Ruah Hakodesh might well be using the John Crowders and Ben Dunns (and who knows? Lakelands and Todd Bentleys) of the world to explore, in a playful way, the potentials and limitations of the Pentecostal/charismatic experience.

At least, these are my thoughts at the moment, subject to change. But lest you think that I’ve chucked True Discernment™ and common sense for some undergrad literary-criticism approach to the spiritual health and vitality of roughly half of the planet’s Christians (yeah, about 1 billion globally are either charismatic or Pentecostal or both), I will air three concerns I have about Holy Ghost House Parties, next post. But for now, what do you make of all this?

I leave you with this final music video, from nu-charismatic artist T.R. Post, his new album “Chill & Refill.” I have to confess I can’t stop watching:

Related blog roundup spanning the gamut of opinion:

Our Tall Skinny Kiwi Goes into it thrice, invoking yours truly on this last one. (Thanx for the love, Andrew!)

Be A Forerunner

Lyle B. Phillips – Heaven’s Snozberry Juice

Available Light thinks we shouldn’t even watch the stuff

Jesse Kade gets stoned in the Spirit

The Wittenburg Door is not pleased, and self-identifies as the “non-emergent Old Fart church.”

Robby Mac Mr. Post-Charismatic himself

Ed Cyzewski favorably explores the Biblical roots of revival

Oregon Mountaineer makes hay about El-Shaddai’s alleged breasts

Kingdom Grace is gracious as always

Brother Maynard Asks But Is It Revival?

Steve Knight, who kicked all this off, offers some additional thoughts via Emergent Village

…and Cynthia Clack reminisces from her Holy Spirit glory days but also raises some interesting questions regarding the power of suggestion, something I might get into next post.

This was originally posted on May 27, 2008 – and sparked off a quite intriguing conversation. More to come…

A Farmer’s Market in Heaven Where Everything Is Free and Everyone Is Welcome

Spencer Burke interviews Sara Miles about her work at the St. Gregory of Nyssa‘s Food Pantry and her new book Jesus Freak: Feeding, Healing Raising the Dead. It’s an inspiring interview – check it out!

Brian McLaren on New Vistas of Vision: Where Do We Go From Here?

Spencer Burke and Brian McLaren wrap up their ground-breaking interview series on A New Kind of ChristianityWhere do new kinds of Christians go to manifest their inspiration into action? How do we treat those who don’t see the same things we see? Get the show notes and see the interview series in its entirety here.

Brian McLaren: Religious Pluralism in the 21st Century, or: How do Christians relate to those of other faiths?

Can the question of how people of different faiths relate to each other take forms other than Us vs. Them hostility or “Whatever, man” relativism? Is it possible to have Christian specificity without exclusivity? What about John 14:6 – you know, where Jesus says “I am the Way, the Truth, and the Life – no one comes to the Father except through me”?

Spencer Burke and Brian McLaren discuss all of this (and its coverage in Brian’s A New Kind of Christianity) in the video below. Get the episode notes and see the entire ten-part interview as it unfolds here.

Also relevant to this conversation:

A Reading of John 14:6 (PDF essay) by Brian

A New Kind of Bible Reading (a free bonus chapter of A New Kind of Christianity)

See also Samir Salmanovic‘s book It’s Really All About God and his work with Faith House Manhattan

If you identify as a Christian, what do YOU think about your privileges and responsibilities in relating to those of neighboring faiths, and sharing your own? If you practice some other faith (or none at all), how do you feel that Christians on the whole have treated you? Do any defy the stereotypes?

Welcoming the Stranger: Justice, Compassion & Truth in the Immigration Debate

Matt Soerens, co-author of Welcoming the Stranger, sounds off on the slow death of civility in our culture and how Jesus-followers can recover transforming dialogue that leads to new alternatives in law and compassion in the immigration debate. Discussion questions are here.

Phyllis Tickle: Are Denominations Toast?

A Think:FWD interview with Phyllis Tickle, author of The Great Emergence: How Christianity Is Changing and Why. Discussion questions are right here.

Nanette Sawyer – The Art of Authentic

Alexie Torres-Fleming: Joyous Justice in the Heart of the City

Alexie Torres-Fleming of Youth Ministries for Justice and Peace, featured on Think:FWD. Show notes here.

DJ Hapa: Spirituality Remixed

Spencer Burke interviews DJ Hapa. Show notes here.

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